Seed

[MadGonzo]

Need seed value on all random generators, to reproduce certain things
impossible to make good song with random randomness

it should be a sliding thing, such as being able to go back to a previous value

[karmafx]

seed is reset on transport change. so no random randomness
but agreed, the seed is fixed.

[MadGonzo]

I see
well i produced this yesterday:
http://commandante.fwsnet.net/modmosaic.mp3

i have a better version on my desktop but that version is also too long
the original has a very "noisy" peak resonance+drive, but still sounds ok
i always forget to render partials

[karmafx]

just to be clear..by transport change I mean that everything is reset when you click play/stop in the host (or render the song). If this is not the case, then it's a bug..

really nice tune. it's a little too distorted for my taste... but the melody, randomness and atmos is top-notch!

[MadGonzo]

if its start/stop then randomness is random
you really need seed mechanics
you should hear the same thing no matter where you start/stop or how many times you do it

[karmafx]

you should hear the same thing no matter where you start/stop or how many times you do it

eh, in that case, would you like the the seed to depend on the song position ?

You see, there are two different scenarios:

1) you move to pos 0 and hit play: The synth resets the seed.
then you move to pos 1 and hit play: The synth resets the seed.
So you will hear the same result (if youre playing the same and that pos of course).

2) you move to pos 0 and hit play. The synth resets the seed.
then you move to pos 1 and hit play: The synth calculates what the seed would be at pos 1, if it had been playing from pos 0, and resets to that seed.

In both scenarios it can be argued that you "hear the same thing".
Number 1) is how it works now. Number 2) is more difficult, especially since the song position isn't reliable in some hosts.

[karmafx]

come to think of it this must be an issue in several plugs that uses random.
if anyone knows of a plugin that handles this in a "good way", please enlighten me

[MadGonzo]

come to think of it this must be an issue in several plugs that uses random.
if anyone knows of a plugin that handles this in a "good way", please enlighten me

Glitch is a VST fx plugin that does seeding REALLY well
i dont know how they do it, but considering i get the same sound at the exact same position in song, its reliable
usually when i use glitch i find a seed that works, then im done with it

i cant usually get 2 good randoms at 2 different positions without using 2 glitches
its a limitation, but a small one...

i used glitch in jetlag.mp3 and 2players.mp3

[karmafx]

Thanks ! I'll check it out.